On 08/07/2010 22:24, Fred Baker wrote: > > On Jul 8, 2010, at 1:18 PM, Melinda Shore wrote: > >> On Jul 8, 2010, at 12:08 PM, Fred Baker wrote: >>> Boy, would they dispute that. ITU has claimed that the IETF is not an >>> open organization because a government cannot join it. Most membership >>> organizations, RIPE, being an example, have a definition of how someone >>> can become a member (members of RIPE are companies and pay a fee), and >>> are considered open to that class of membership. Wait... There are two organizations: RIPE and RIPE NCC. RIPE is an open group of people interested in IP based networks in Europe and surrounding areas. There is no formal membership, work is done by volunteers, anybody who is interested can join the mailing lists and participate, anybody who pays the meeting fee can attend the meeting and participate there. From an organizational point of view, it is pretty similar to the IETF. RIPE NCC is an organization established to do whatever ISP's and other network providers have to organize as a group, even though they are competitors, on a professional basis. It is a membership organization open to everybody who meets the criteria (which is essential: run a network). The RIPE NCC has an annual meeting, where the members decide on what activities will be carried out in the next year. This meeting is open to members only, which makes a lot of sense as the members also write the checks to cover the costs. And to answer the original question: yes, if you register for the RIPE or RIPE NCC meetings, your name will appear on the public attendees list. Henk -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.xs4all.nl/~henku P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I confirm today what I denied yesterday. Anonymous Politician. _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf