Spencer, I think the right way to fix this problem is to allow anyone who self declares themselves as currently unemployed get a significantly reduced rate for a 5 day pass (perhaps the same rate as 1 day pass). I know this could be abused by people who are self employed consultants but given the type of people that are self employed consultants and that choose to come to IETF, I don't think it would be abused. Cullen On May 6, 2010, at 10:51 PM, Spencer Dawkins wrote: > Dear IESG, > > I'm conflicted on this one. I agree that three days at IETF meetings does > not a NomCom member make, but I know several people who are very > experienced, but who are self-funding, and I can easily imagine someone > doing a day pass during a trough in their business cycle. > > I would be comfortable allowing someone volunteering for the NomCom > membership pool to count ONE IETF attended on a day pass - not more than > that. > > Allowing a day pass as one of your "three of five" doesn't seem dangerous to > me, and if you DID attend two tutorials, the reception, the social, and a > day of IETF meetings, you certainly could have inhaled some IETF culture. > > Considering how many NomCom volunteers we get, tuning the algorithm may not > affect the membership of a NomCom more than once out of twenty years, of > course, so please don't spend much time tuning the algorithm! > > Thanks, > > Spencer > > > > The IESG is considering the following Statement on the Day Pass > > Experiment. The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks on > > a policy statement, and the IESG actively solicits comments on this > > action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@xxxxxxxx mailing > > lists by 2010-05-20. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to > > iesg@xxxxxxxx instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of > > the Subject line to allow automated sorting. > > > > = = = = = = = = > > > > RFC 3777 requires that voting members of the nominating committee > > (NomCom) be selected from volunteers that have attended at least three > > of the last five IETF meetings. The IAOC is conducting a day pass > > experiment, making it necessary to augment the NomCom eligibility rules > > to address IETF participants that make use of a day pass. An update to > > RFC 3777 to will be needed to address this situation if at the end of > > the experiment the IAOC decides to make day passes a regular meeting > > registration alternative; however, a BCP update for an experiment is > > overkill. > > > > The IESG observes that attending a single day of the IETF meeting is not > > sufficient for a new participant to learn the culture of the IETF or the > > qualities that would make an effective IETF leader. Further, ongoing > > exposure to the IETF standards process is necessary to appreciate the > > significance and importance of cross-area review. > > > > The eligibility requirements of volunteers for NomCom voting member > > positions are provided in RFC 3777, which includes: > > > > 14. Members of the IETF community must have attended at least 3 of > > the last 5 IETF meetings in order to volunteer. > > > > In the context of the day pass experiment, this is interpreted to mean: > > > > 14. IETF participants must have attended at least 3 of the last 5 > > IETF meetings in order to volunteer, and that use of a day pass > > does not count as IETF meeting attendance. > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > Cullen Jennings For corporate legal information go to: http://www.cisco.com/web/about/doing_business/legal/cri/index.html _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf