Hi Mark,
You are incorrect. I am not referring to IPSec, VPNs or Secure Shell.
I am not even referring to TOR (I don't put the solution before the problem).
I am referring to the goal:
1) Unsnoopable
2) Untraceable
The set {IPSec, VPNs, SecSH} meet only the first of these.
There is a functional difference between IETF continuing to work on
protocols associated with 1), which there is a commercial need for today,
and embarking upon standardizing protocols which address 1) and 2),
for which the purpose is political.
I am not opposed to this work.
Does it have to be standardized, and does it have to be IETF?
With regard to affronting hosts, I would think that anyone who visited
a home or a country would behave politely.
I am always polite and respectful of people in the USA when I visit, and
understand it is a privilege (as a non-Citizen) to be there.
My message alluded to the fact that there are different patterns of
politeness in many East Asian countries. One of the issues is that
politicising IETF work would put our peers in China in an untenable
position with regard to the authorities.
These are the people we are going to China to engage with and encourage.
The people you may be angry with are not these people.
Please take the political activism somewhere else, where it will be more
effective.
Sincerely,
Greg Daley
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From: Mark Atwood [mailto:mra@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, 24 March 2010 2:16 PM
To: Greg Daley
Cc: MtFBwU; ietf@xxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Make the Internet uncensorable to intermediate nodes
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 11:24 PM, Greg Daley <gdaley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I would actually not encourage IETF to work on such a technology as this,
particularly in the lead-up to IETF Beijing. That would be a serious affront
to our hosts.
By "as this", you are referring to both technologies such as "Tor", and also similarly useful technologies as IPsec, VPNs, and Secure Shell, all of which are useful and are used today to "Make the Internet uncensorable to intermediate nodes".
The Chinese government seem to be excessively affrontable, and entirely too many westerners are enablers of this. It's insulting, by western standards. If "the west" has to worry about insulting "China", then "China" can get a clue about being insulting to "the west". The Chinese government can grow a thicker skin.
..m
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