-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: > The deliberative process of NOMCON means that it is more likely that > consensus will be reached on the candidates that fewest people object > to rather than those that have the strongest support. Deliberation means that weak objections are as likely to be influenced by discussions by strong supporters. I.e., deliberation can just as easily contributes to amplification of strong support, rather than suppression of it. Tuning the process is fine, but let's not be deluded into thinking it will be any better than "flawed, but sufficient". Selectees don't need to be (further) encouraged they've been anointed by some perfect process. We should be considering Nomcom's primary role in making the shortlist, i.e., in making a threshold. Frankly, the community would be better served IMO by selecting from among the shortlist using the same (random) process used in selecting the Nomcom. Joe > On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Joe Touch<touch@xxxxxxx> wrote: > > > Melinda Shore wrote: >>>> SM wrote: >>>>> Hi Phillip, >>>>> At 08:32 10-06-2009, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: >>>>>> A more useful change would be to abolish NOMCON and for those >>>>>> currently qualified to sit on NOMCON to elect the IAB and ADs >>>>>> directly. >>>>> The implications of the above is much more than publicizing the IETF >>>>> list of nominees. The discussion of that document highlighted how a >>>>> simple statement like "we want an open list" is not as simple as it >>>>> sounds. >>>> Indeed. Having elections means determining who's >>>> eligible to vote, and that has all kinds of cascading >>>> consequences. > We already have that. The only difference is that: > > - voters are selected randomly from among those not "running for office" > > - voters are required to participate in interviews and meetings, which > may make them more informed > > In the end, though, all voting systems are popularity contests. > > Joe >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkoxKdgACgkQE5f5cImnZrvNiACgqYFrs7rSkSFg7DdAHZ7SY0Rq gNgAoOWKOmxP1fgE0hD8ob2PGc+0h/OY =ZJ9H -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf