Re: Running Code

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Ned Freed wrote:
>> Scott Lawrence wrote:
>>> On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 13:17 -0800, Marc Petit-Huguenin wrote:
>>>> I would like to bring to your attention this proposal to put back
>>>> running code at the center of Internet protocol design by adding a
>>>> new Considerations Section in future Internet-Drafts and RFCs:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-petithuguenin-running-code-considerations-00.txt
>>> I oppose the addition of such a mandatory or formalized section, despite
>>> the fact that I very much support measuring specification quality and
>>> community support by looking for running code.
>>>
>>> I oppose even more this part of the definition of "running code":
>>>
>>>         The minimum rights that should be granted for this source code
>>>         are the right to duplicate it for purpose of reading it and the
>>>         right to execute it or generate the binary code to execute it.
>>>
>>> I spend nearly all my time and energy these days on open source
>>> software, so this would not be a barrier for me, but it would be for
>>> many people whose contributions are important.
> 
>> It seems that there is a general misunderstanding that this draft
>> asks for mandatory source implementation.
> 
> I have seen no evidence of any such misunderstanding. It certainly
> isn't what Scott objected to above.
> 
>>  This is not the case, and
>> this will be better explained in the next version of the draft.
> 
>> What this draft ask for is to be mandatory to list in a specific
>> section the names, authors and sponsors of early implementations
>> available in source form. 
> 
> And that's the problem Scott is referring to, and which I agree is a
> significant issue. There is no doubt that the process of implementing something
> provides valuable insight into specification clarity, general implementabiity,
> and protocol complexity. But the same insights accrue from *any*
> implementation, irrespective of whether it is done as open source or not.
> 
> The only advantage an open source implementation has over closed source is that
> others can look at it. But while this advantage is real, the bias it could
> create in favor of open source as a means of assessing protocols is just not
> worth it.

The proposal never asked for open source implementations.

[...]
> 
> And I continue to believe the costs are far greater than the benefits.
> 

OK.

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