--On Friday, January 09, 2009 11:26 -0500 Scott Brim <swb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> Part of the reason for the current requirements is exactly >> what I think you are suggesting -- to raise the odds that >> Nomcom members will actually know the candidates and have had >> the opportunity to see them in action in some roles. > > But also that nomcom members have some clue to what the life > of an IAB/IESG member is like. I don't see how you can > possibly understand that without seeing it all in action at a > face-to-face meeting. At the risk of repeating Spencer's comment in more concrete terms, if we believe "getting a [realistic] clue to what the life of an IAB/IESG member is like", then the Nomcom should be restricted to people who have had access to the internal meetings and interactions of those bodies, i.e., former IESG or IAB members, possibly IESG scribe and IAB ExecDirs, and maybe some present or former WG Chairs. The typical participant in the community sees those people only in occasional comments to WGs, staged performances during the plenaries, and in their written (and tracker-logged) responses to documents. The last of these is, of course, equally accessible to those who attend meetings and those who do not. The comments to WGs show up on mailing lists and in Jabber logs, which means that the only thing the typical IETF participant who attends meetings has access to that those who do not attend don't is the plenary performances. I have difficulty believing that those give any great insight into "their life as IAB/IESG members". I dislike that situation for many reasons. However, I think it is consistent with my main point, which is that Eliot's concern may come together with other evolutionary factors in the IETF to justify reexamining the assumptions between the meeting attendance requirement, not just trying to tweak it. john _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf