At 09:16 PM 3/16/2008, Ralph Droms wrote: >On Sun, 16 Mar 2008, Michael StJohns wrote: >>[...] >>Put another way, the Nomcom is a search committee, but the hiring authority resides in the confirming bodies. > >Mike - I fundamentally and strongly disagree. In my opinoin, the Nomcom is the hiring committee; the confirming body is the oversight and sanity check body. The Nomcom is selected from the IETF as a whole to select the management for the IETF, who then serve at the pleasure of the IETF as a whole. The confirming bodies do not form a hierarchical management or hiring organization; rather, they perform a final check and review of the process. > >- Ralph And I think this is the nut of the matter. If the IETF agrees with you, the best thing they can do is rewrite 3777 to eliminate the confirmation process, as there is no possible way to do any reasonable sanity and oversight without a complete end-to-end view of the process. E.g. leave it to the liaison's and past-chairs to deal with those "is the process good?" matters. But the text of all the Nomcom process documents back to the first (RFC2027) says "review the candidates...and then consent to some, all or none of the candidates". Review the "candidates" - NOT "review the process by which the candidates were selected". This is the black letter reading of ALL of versions of the chain of Nomcom documents and I believe it is in opposition to your opinion. I'm going to self-initiate a personal 24 hour hold down. I'm going to refrain from any more comments on this topic or the other chain until tomorrow night just to see if anyone else has anything to say.. :-) Later, Mike _______________________________________________ IETF mailing list IETF@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf