At 04:30 PM 10/15/2007, Joel Jaeggli wrote:
Daniel Senie wrote: > At 01:29 PM 10/15/2007, John Leslie wrote: > >> Hallam-Baker, Phillip <pbaker@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> > >> > Whether your objective is to reduce carbon emissions because of >> > global warming concerns or reduce dependence on fossil fuels that are >> > increasingly in short supply, there is a real incentive to reduce >> > energy use. >> > >> > If teleconferencing actually worked the need to hold face to face >> > meetings would be reduced. >> >> I am constantly surprised how little interest there is within IETF >> for teleconferecing that works well. > > Indeed. I raised this point over the years. Even offering to pay a > "remote attendance fee" if there were in fact the ability to see and > hear sessions, and participate. The IETF for many years crowed about the > Mbone connectivity as being innovative, but got stuck there, and didn't > progress when comercial solutions bypassed that flawed technology. I don't recall crowing about multicast. I also don't recall you volunteering to show up and help enable remote participation...
No. I offered that I would pay a fee and NOT show up.
The volunteers built a model that was sustainable with a modest amount of capital and time. both jabber and and streaming audio. I respectfully suggest that if you put more in, you might get more out.
So in order to participate remotely, I needed to show up and run cameras. I'm sorry, but that does not make sense. I'm also sorry if you thought I was criticizing the people who put in the time to broadcast the meetings over Mbone. It was a great effort. Not one I could watch, mind you, since multicast connectivity didn't reach most of the places I've worked, but nice that someone did it nonetheless.
What I suggested, at plenaries and such, was that I would have been happy to pay a meeting fee, despite not being there, if the money went toward interactive, remote attendance instead of to cookies, ice cream, pretzels and danish.
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