Wow, has this conversation wandered into the weeds, or what? Time out for station identification; this is the "Internet Engineering Task Force." Thanks! -- Eric Gray Principal Engineer Ericsson > -----Original Message----- > From: James M. Polk [mailto:jmpolk@xxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 3:18 PM > To: Dan Harkins; Eric Burger > Cc: ietf@xxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: Travel Considerations > > Unfortunately, using this logic -- I can buy a tank and get 2 > gallons-to-the-mile mileage because the rest of the planet (or at > least America) is still buying SUVs that get horrible mileage too, > since there will be nearly an unmeasurable difference to global > warming if I drive my tank or not... so why not drive it anyway. > > There is an individual responsibility to change what we each can > change to help. As an organization, we can have a greater positive > affect if we reduce demand for such spoke flights by only flying to > hub sites of major airlines -- if we're going to continue to > meet in person. > > If other organizations see ours as an example, and do the same, then > the positive affect is greater on us doing the right thing... > > Doing the right thing in mass has to start somewhere -- why does it > have to start somewhere else here? > > It's Friday... > > At 01:30 PM 10/12/2007, Dan Harkins wrote: > > > You're assuming that if 1000 people decide not to fly to Prague > >some weekend that the number of planes burning jet fuel to fly there > >will be different. I don't think so. > > > > Maybe you can start a "Boycott Prague The Spoke City" > campaign which, > >if wildly successful, will reduce demand to fly there by > some discernable > >amount and thereby reduce the number of planes flying there > and the amount > >of jet fuel they would've burned. Well, as long as the > planes that aren't > >flying to Prague aren't used to fly to Heathrow or Frankfurt > or some other > >hub city. Also doubtful. > > > > I do not intend on making ietf-discuss into a forum for discussing > >the pluses and minuses resulting from a degree centigrade temperature > >change but let me just say that "the planet wins" is a > somewhat dubious > >statement. > > > > Dan. > > > >On Fri, October 12, 2007 7:32 am, Eric Burger wrote: > > > Here is an interesting optimization problem: it turns out the most > > > polluting part of a conference is people taking jets to fly to the > > > conference. Minimize that and the planet wins. Favors > hub cities over > > > spokes, like San Diego or Prague, where you "can't get > there from here", > > > no matter where "here" is. > > > > > > See http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/reprint/318/5847/36.pdf > > > > > > Notice: This email message, together with any > attachments, may contain > > > information of BEA Systems, Inc., its subsidiaries > and affiliated > > > entities, that may be confidential, proprietary, > copyrighted and/or > > > legally privileged, and is intended solely for the use of > the individual > > > or entity named in this message. If you are not the > intended recipient, > > > and have received this message in error, please > immediately return this by > > > email and then delete it. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ietf mailing list > > > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ietf mailing list > >Ietf@xxxxxxxx > >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf