> Not at all. There is a huge difference between "ask participants > in a discussion what they think" and a "consensus call". I've frequently seen postings that talk about the "consensus" of a Bar BoF, and never seen any objection to that terminology. Consensus is always qualified by the scope of the participants, and we all know how to tell the difference between "consensus of the IETF", "consensus of the room", "consensus of the working group", and "consensus of the participants in the mailing list X". I think the process discussion is a distraction from working on the actual issues, and wish it would stop. Larry -- http://larry.masinter.net _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf