On Wed, Aug 29, 2007 at 12:57:44PM -0400, Keith Moore wrote: > Bob Braden wrote: > > In this whole discussion, I find it hard to keep separate the > > technical issues, about which the IETF should care a lot, from > > the business model and issues, about which the IETF should be > > agnostic. We may personally care a great deal about the business > > issues, but we cannot speak as an organization about them. > > > well, mumble. we shouldn't be biased toward any particular business > model. but there's nothing wrong with being biased towards flexibility, > or being biased against the RIRs changing IETF decisions to favor a > particular business model. > > again, the fundamental problem here is that the RIRs are trying to > second-guess IETF design decisions. > "the" RIRs are membership organizations, with members consisting of the operational community. they have to try and work with whatever the IETF gives them.. and when what the IETF provides is not operationaly feasable, they can and will make changes so that an operational network exists. now the IETF is a membership organization as well, so individuals can participate in both communities.. if you feel that an RIR policy is wrong, then the correct place to "fix" it is within the RIR community. In ARIN's case, the public-policy mailing list is where you can post your concerns so that they will be heard by the operational community and you can persuade them that their operational practices are "second-guessing" IETF design decisions. -- --bill Opinions expressed may not even be mine by the time you read them, and certainly don't reflect those of any other entity (legal or otherwise). _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf