Dan, I'd appreciate it if you could work with Russ and Bernard on seeing f the draft has adequate text to cover the issues that I think we now agree should be covered. My approach would be to clarify the definition of session key to clearly include MSK and handoff keys that fill the same role. (session key is broader than TSK or TEK) and to clarify what key scope needs to include. Other approaches are also possible and I am not attached to my proposal. --Sam _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf