Just to add to Dave's comments: The information provided needs to be based on "reality" rather than hyperbole. A bunch of us just returned from Bali which according to the US State Department is a place you should not even think about visiting, and required Senior VP approval to go. Yet, I am sure none of us ever felt in the slightest bit of danger. Contrast this with Paris, the data speaks for itself. Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 GSM: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: ole@xxxxxxxxx URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf