Keith, >> >> I could also imagine VERY incremental changes that are agreed to be >> non-controversial. > > this is often how the second-system effect starts, and it nearly > always works out badly. I think the intersection of people and potentially agreeable changes is incredibly small. So do you apparently, as you discuss below. > >> My suggestion is that we first start by getting agreement on the >> changes in the draft that are there, including two-step process Scott >> & I have proposed, which I believe is a compromise between the >> reality of a one step process and some peoples' desires. > > well, I have my own idea about how to revise the standards process, > which, while not totally dissimilar to yours, is different enough that > you and I are not likely to be able to agree on a compromise without a > fair amount of discussion. and a few dozen other people probably have > similar ideas. so no, I don't think that getting agreement on your > proposal is a good first step. Propose your own. I'm not stopping you. And I think you're being presumptuous about whether or not I'd like it or that we couldn't come to some agreement. Eliot _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf