Uh - Randy that's because they all have formally constrained memberships and have an ongoing relation between them and their participants. They also do not have people in those entities creating documents which allege power of attorney for IP that is submitted as part of the standards process. The IETF does and that is one of the most basic problems here per se IMHO. The IETF needs to formally admit is has a membership and that those members in some cases can speak for themselves and in others cannot. It also needs to stop making decisions for those participants and come up with better oversight models for its peer-based processes. If you want more detail I can spin it for you all day long. Todd Glassey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Presuhn" <randy_presuhn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <ietf@xxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 11:53 AM Subject: Re: Why cant the IETF embrace an open Election Process ratherthansome > Hi - > > Strangely absent from this discussion are any examples > of standards bodies that satisfy the critics' criteria. Perhaps > some examples of standards organizations successfully using > processes meeting those criteria would be helpful to focus > this dicussion. > > Randy > > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf