Hi - > From: "todd glassey" <tglassey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: "Randy Presuhn" <randy_presuhn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <ietf@xxxxxxxx> > Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 12:28 PM > Subject: Re: Why cant the IETF embrace an open Election Process ratherthansome > > Uh - Randy > that's because they all have formally constrained memberships and have > an ongoing relation between them and their participants. But WHICH organization's membership model do you want to emulate? ITU? ISO? IEEE? DMTF? Unicode? W3C? There are very substantial differences between these, and not just in terms of membership, but more importantly in how chairs and other positions of (relative) power are filled, which is the real focus of this discussion. Stop wasting time with arm-waving and get to a specific model you would like us to examine. > They also do not have people in those entities creating documents which > allege power of attorney for IP that is submitted as part of the standards > process. The IETF does and that is one of the most basic problems here per > se IMHO. Again, WHICH organization's IPR model would you have us emulate? Legalistic theorizing is no substitute for a specific proposal. ... > If you want more detail I can spin it for you all day long. ... There's been quite enough spin, thank you. It's time to either make a specific proposal or to stop wasting electrons. Randy _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf