Err uh Keith - No... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Moore" <moore@xxxxxxxxxx> To: "Joe Touch" <touch@xxxxxxx> Cc: <leslie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <iad@xxxxxxxx>; <ietf@xxxxxxxx>; <lear@xxxxxxxxx>; <mankin@xxxxxxx>; <iaoc@xxxxxxxx>; <hardie@xxxxxxxxxxxx>; <john-ietf@xxxxxxx>; <independent@xxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [INDEP] Re: [IAOC] Re: RFC Editor RFP Review Request > > > What you say might have been true up until say the mid 1980s, but > > > today, it's hard to defend that statement. For many years the vast > > > majority of RFCs have been produced by IETF either from working groups > > > or individual submissions. > > > > That vast number does not establish the credibility of the series; the > > original ones do. > > disagree. the value of the RFC series is that most of the important > technical specifications for the Internet (below the apps layer, > anyway) can be found there. if the RFC series only contained the > original TCP, UDP, and IP specs, those documents would still be > valuable, but the series would not be nearly as valuable as it is today. Uh yeah - after the fact that is... By the way - how valuable do you think the series is? By the way this was about Credibility and you spun that into Value - nice - but not the issue. As to the Credibility of the RFC's that is tied to the RFC's process - which sucks at best IMHO. The value is a different issue totally. Nice try. > > > Congestion control originated in a Sigcomm paper, not > > the IETF. At the end of the day, it is the IETF that is, IMO, expendable. > > at the end of the day, we will all be dust, and everything we have > produced will have been diffused to the point that those remaining > will be unable to reliably tell who did what. That's becuase of the process - not because of "how things are"... sorry. If the IETF had its act together this wouldnt be true. > to the extent our lives > have any value, it's probably not enhanced by our expending energy > trying to pin down such things. Wow - so now this is about Life Value - where do you draw the line? > > Keith > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf