Joe, What you say might have been true up until say the mid 1980s, but today, it's hard to defend that statement. For many years the vast majority of RFCs have been produced by IETF either from working groups or individual submissions. Several other RFCs that have been published - e.g. documents authored by other standards organizations and by vendors - have resulted from the association of the RFC series with IETF and with IETF-produced documents. Yes, we've always maintained that RFC editor and IETF are independent functions, and there are reasons for still maintaining that separation. But it's not as if the RFC series would have significant currency today if the IETF documents somehow disappeared from that series. To me it makes more sense to think of IETF and the RFC Editor having a symbiotic relationship that allows them to collaborate in furtherance of their mutual goals, than to think of them as entirely independent or (worse) competing with each other for public favor. Keith > The term RFC is one the IETF is getting a free ride on. > > RFCs core to the Internet itself were independent, pre-IETF submissions. > It is THEY that establish the utility of the series, not the IETF. _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf