Brian, I had responded to Eric Rosen's note earlier (see my mail of Thu 6/1/2006 12:07 PM EDT) - in particular concluding: "I - for one - see nothing either false or misleading in the proposed note. I also find that addition of such a note is substantially less onerous than alternatives we have now..." In the event that this was not clear, I support this experiment. I think it is worth adding that we might not know the outcome of such an experiment for many years - because it may take that long to determine whether or not this approach is more or less painful than the current process. -- Eric --> -----Original Message----- --> From: Brian E Carpenter [mailto:brc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] --> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 6:20 AM --> To: C. M. Heard --> Cc: iesg@xxxxxxxx; ietf@xxxxxxxx --> Subject: Re: Last Call: 'A Process Experiment in Normative --> Reference Handling' to Experimental RFC (draft-klensin-norm-ref) --> --> C. M. Heard wrote: --> > On Thu, 1 Jun 2006, Eric Rosen wrote: --> > --> >>There are also other reasons why I find this --> proposed experiment --> >>disheartening. --> >> --> >>For one thing, it really misses the point. We --> need to simplify our --> >>processes, not make them more complicated. Either we --> need the downref rule --> >>or we don't. If we want to experiment, let's --> experiment with eliminating --> >>the rule entirely, not with fine tuning it. --> >> --> >>The real underlying problem of course is the the --> multi-stage standards --> >>process is just a relic from another time, and makes no --> sense at all in the --> >>current environment. Experiments in fine tuning the --> process are nothing but --> >>a distraction. --> > --> > --> > For the record, I completely agree with the above --> sentiments (and have so --> > stated on the newtrk mailing list). --> --> I'd like to ask people who *don't* agree with the above sentiments --> (i.e. who support this experimental process change) to say --> so, before --> the Last Call ends in two days. (Obviously, people who *do* --> agree are welcome --> to say so too, but a problem with Last Calls is that it's --> very hard to --> judge whether silence means consent.) --> --> Brian --> --> --> --> _______________________________________________ --> Ietf mailing list --> Ietf@xxxxxxxx --> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf --> _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf