RE: Last Call: 'A Process Experiment in Normative Reference Handl ing' to Experimental RFC (draft-klensin-norm-ref)

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Brian,

	I had responded to Eric Rosen's note earlier (see my mail
of Thu 6/1/2006 12:07 PM EDT) - in particular concluding:

"I - for one - see nothing either false or misleading in the 
proposed note.  I also find that addition of such a note is 
substantially less onerous than alternatives we have now..."

	In the event that this was not clear, I support this
experiment.

	I think it is worth adding that we might not know the
outcome of such an experiment for many years - because it may
take that long to determine whether or not this approach is
more or less painful than the current process.

--
Eric

--> -----Original Message-----
--> From: Brian E Carpenter [mailto:brc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
--> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 6:20 AM
--> To: C. M. Heard
--> Cc: iesg@xxxxxxxx; ietf@xxxxxxxx
--> Subject: Re: Last Call: 'A Process Experiment in Normative 
--> Reference Handling' to Experimental RFC (draft-klensin-norm-ref)
--> 
--> C. M. Heard wrote:
--> > On Thu, 1 Jun 2006, Eric Rosen wrote:
--> > 
--> >>There  are  also   other  reasons  why  I  find   this  
--> proposed  experiment
--> >>disheartening. 
--> >>
--> >>For  one  thing, it  really  misses  the point.   We  
--> need  to simplify  our
--> >>processes, not make them more  complicated.  Either we 
--> need the downref rule
--> >>or we  don't.  If we want  to experiment, let's  
--> experiment with eliminating
--> >>the rule entirely, not with fine tuning it.
--> >>
--> >>The  real underlying  problem of  course  is the  the 
--> multi-stage  standards
--> >>process is just a relic from another  time, and makes no 
--> sense at all in the
--> >>current environment.  Experiments in fine tuning the 
--> process are nothing but
--> >>a distraction.
--> > 
--> > 
--> > For the record, I completely agree with the above 
--> sentiments (and have so
--> > stated on the newtrk mailing list).
--> 
--> I'd like to ask people who *don't* agree with the above sentiments
--> (i.e. who support this experimental process change) to say 
--> so, before
--> the Last Call ends in two days. (Obviously, people who *do* 
--> agree are welcome
--> to say so too, but a problem with Last Calls is that it's 
--> very hard to
--> judge whether silence means consent.)
--> 
-->      Brian
--> 
--> 
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