> --On Monday, 12 June, 2006 12:20 +0200 Brian E Carpenter > <brc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >... > >>> The real underlying problem of course is the the > >>> multi-stage standards process is just a relic from another > >>> time, and makes no sense at all in the current environment. > >>> Experiments in fine tuning the process are nothing but a > >>> distraction. > >> > >> For the record, I completely agree with the above sentiments > >> (and have so stated on the newtrk mailing list). > > > > I'd like to ask people who *don't* agree with the above > > sentiments > > (i.e. who support this experimental process change) to say so, > > before > > the Last Call ends in two days. (Obviously, people who *do* > > agree are welcome > > to say so too, but a problem with Last Calls is that it's very > > hard to > > judge whether silence means consent.) > FWIW, I still think the approach in the draft is a good idea > given that... > (1) We have not been able to get consensus eliminating a > multistep standard process. For reasons explained elsewhere, I > personally consider that eliminating that process would be a bad > idea, but that is another discussion. The present reality is > that we don't have that consensus and that blocking incremental > improvements within it is a strange form of "see if we can make > things worse so as to build momentum for a more basic change". > I don't believe in that style of doing things. > (2) We have had repeated claims that the downref issue is a > major cause of perceived IETF slowness in getting documents out > and, especially, of getting documents to advanced maturity > level. I think that validating (or invalidating) those claims > would be helpful as a goal in itself. If it results in a > significant number of documents being advanced, that would be a > good thing. If it results in few or no documents being > advanced, then we know that particular argument is not a > significant part of the picture, and that would, itself, be > useful. I agree with both of these points. One signs of a good experiment is that you learn something from it no matter what the outcome. I see nothing but upside here and fully support running this process experiment. Ned _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf