Disclaimer: I haven't read Harald's document yet.
On Saturday, May 27, 2006 07:00:07 AM -0700 Dave Crocker
<dhc2@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
3. The question is how the title of the series will actually be
interpreted by average folk on the Internet, not what you might have
intended.
Average folk on the Internet have never even _heard_ of the IETF, let alone
understand the difference between the IETF, IESG, etc. I'd expect the
majority of those who have to interpret "IETF Operationsl Notes" as "notes
about the operation of the IETF". A few may interpret the series title to
mean "notes from the IETF about the operation of the Internet". For anyone
not involved in the IETF, the first meaning is sufficient, and they're not
going to care what the process is for approving new ION's or updates to
existing ones, or how that impacts the title.
I think it's been stated several times that the intent is not to grant
sweeping new powers to the IESG, but to have a document series which
encompasses _all_ of our process, practices, and procedures, regardless of
approval level. For the purpose of a process experiment, I think we can
apply a fairly simple rule - if it would have required a BCP before, it
still requires IETF concensus onder the experiment; the document just gets
published in the new series instead of the old one. Anything that
previously would not have required a BCP still doesn't.
For the long term, if the experiment proves successful, we probably need a
more well-defined policy. One approach might be to adopt a model in which
all authority derives from the IETF, by IETF consensus model. So, anything
which changes he structure or overall process of the IETF requires IETF
consensus, but bodies like the IESG, IAB, or IAOC can publish documents on
policy or procedure which they are empowered by IETF process to set (e.g.
IESG balloting procedures, i-d nits, or criteria for selecting meeting
locations) or which are descriptive rather than prescriptive (e.g. the
Tao). This probably needs to be formulated better, but I don't think it's
necessary to wait for that before beginning the experiment.
-- Jeff
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