Howdy, > I think though that the community ultimately needs to have the power > to take back anything it has given. Basically, I think it is critical > that ultimately everything within the greater IETF context be > accountable to the IETF community. That is true of the IESG, the IAB > and everything they do. > > I don't think this document represents that. It is, at its heart, an -00 :-) Let's work on trying to fix the text before assuming the whole structure is wrong. Let's set aside *which* community for a moment (IETF community or something larger) and work on making sure the document is clear where the IAB makes decisions versus where it facilitates the detection of and action upon consensus. Can you propose some text improvements? Leslie. Sam Hartman wrote:
"Leslie" == Leslie Daigle <leslie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:Leslie> Sam, Leslie> Some high-level responses, and I'm sure we'll hear other Leslie> input: Leslie> 1/ I think you're overlooking something in "IETF pays for Leslie> RFC Editor"; RFC Editor has been paid by ISOC for years, Leslie> and *that* largely comes out of contributions from Leslie> corporations. We actually have no data beyond the fact Leslie> that they support the RFC Editor as currently constituted Leslie> (i.e., including independent submissions). Leslie> We've already heard (in IETF discussion in March) input Leslie> that no in fact the IETF does not get to define the Leslie> *in*dependent submission process; one purpose of the Leslie> planned discussion is to ensure that the process is not at Leslie> odds with the IETF's standards needs, but that is very Leslie> different than having the IETF define it, as you describe. OK. I was not paying that much attention in March,and if I'm too late, I certainly have no problem with the community choosing to allow a broader group to control the independent submission track, or to seed that to the IAB. I think though that the community ultimately needs to have the power to take back anything it has given. Basically, I think it is critical that ultimately everything within the greater IETF context be accountable to the IETF community. That is true of the IESG, the IAB and everything they do. I don't think this document represents that. --Sam
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