L2, The IETF's policy here has a couple of problems I think - and that is that it limits the number of parties that can claim control over a document and in doing so limits the representation of legal ownership or rights to the filing. This is a very bad thing, since each of those authors has legal control over their portions of the work or derivatives of their contribution within the work itself. I.e. they are all legal signatories to any conveyance of copyrights or derivative use rights including implementaiton rights. It also seems to limit who can converse with the Secretariat or WG in regard to the management of any particular Document's Initiative which may prevent legitimate IP owners from interacting with the IETF's processes. Perhaps we need to apply the same standards to these that are applied to US Patents, and BTW did you know that a person licensing someone to use a patent can revoke that license for cause 20 years later... that is an important statement since it means that anything can be pulled out from under anyone these days. The use of the IP for reprinting is Copyright controlled - but the implementation of actual code or a 'system from the description' is more specific to patent protection and should be dealt with as such since it is not 'republication' but commercial/private use of the described IP that is being dealt with. The point is that the IP Control and Transfer model is to complex and needs to be made simpler if the Trust idea is to work at all IMHO. For instance, you have a piece of IP that is patented and there are four listed Inventor's - that has very specific rights attached to it and it generally similar if not the same for Author's of copyrighted works. And for this example say one of those Four Inventor's is dissatisfied with a buy-out or other matter and decides to rescind the transfer of the IP... there are of course legal issues and processes to be addressed, but it does happen. The point is that in any IP licensing model its critical to get continuing agreement as to the intent and willingness of the AUTHORS/INVENTORS to continue participating and that means that there needs to be an ongoing process for getting that formal release. Say a RFC for instance was derived from a document that had four authors and one of them decided to leave the Vetting Team that submitted the document (notice also I snuck a new Governance term in - "Vetting Team")... Now when each revision to that I-D that is done the same four people would have to agree to the ongoing license to use, which the one who left can clearly say no to... What does this cause? nothing inside the IETF since its use rights are protected by the Research Exemptions but anyone else? could be messy. Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lucy E. Lynch" <llynch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: "Harald Alvestrand" <harald@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Cc: <ipr-wg@xxxxxxxx>; "Bob Braden" <braden@xxxxxxx>; <ietf@xxxxxxxx>; <techspec@xxxxxxxx>; <rfc-editor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 6:42 AM Subject: Re: [Techspec] RFC Author Count and IPR > On Thu, 25 May 2006, Harald Alvestrand wrote: > > > Lucy E. Lynch wrote: > >> Let me try re-stating my question. Is there a one-to-one relationship > >> between the listed authors on an IETF document and ownership of the > >> given document's Intellectual Property? > > I can answer that one... > > > > No. > > > Thank you! > > -- > Lucy E. Lynch Academic User Services > Computing Center University of Oregon > llynch @darkwing.uoregon.edu (541) 346-1774 > > _______________________________________________ > Ipr-wg mailing list > Ipr-wg@xxxxxxxx > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipr-wg _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf