>>>>> On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 04:56:57 +0100, Harald Alvestrand <harald@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> said: Harald> Mohsen BANAN wrote: >> Complaints Against The IESG >> and The RFC-Editor >> About Publication of RFC-2188 (ESRO) Harald> The IESG pointed some of the issues out to the RFC Editor, who handled Harald> the communication with the author; that was the procedure at that time. Harald> Nevertheless, the RFC Editor felt that the document was worthy of Harald> publication, and published anyway. As the written record clearly shows, this is factually incorrect. In the case of RFC-2188 the RFC Editor was no more than an IESG puppet. Publication was held up for more than 7 months, until finally Scott Bradner (Transport Area Director at the IESG) made it happen -- emphatically *not* the RFC Editor. Scott can step in, if he wishes. Full communication records are available at: http://www.esro.org/communicationRecord/rfc2188Publication/maillist.html And then there is the communication record of what happened when the IESG invited us to put ESRO on the standards track. http://www.esro.org/noStdTrack/main.html Harald> The IESG note put on this document says: In general, I consider the garbage that IESG puts in non-IETF RFCs as a badge of honor for the author. For example, the negative IESG note in the original HTTP specs and the success of HTTP demonstrated IESG's attitude and its eventual relevance. Harald> In this case [RFC-2524], too, the RFC Harald> Editor exercised the RFC Editor's Harald> independent judgment and published the Harald> document. Had it not been for my very public RFC-2188 complaint, I do not believe RFC-2524 would have been published at all. Please note the time of my complaint and of the RFC-2524 publication. How many other non-IETF RFCs have ever been published by the RFC Editor in the face of IESG opposition? I believe the answer is very few if not zero. If I am wrong, I ask the RFC Editor/IESG to correct the record. Please name the RFCs. Harald> This was eight years ago. ... Lack of true independence of the RFC Editor was the issue then, and it is the issue now. ...Mohsen _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf