>>>>> "Juergen" == Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@xxxxxxxxxxxx> writes: Juergen> Sam, Juergen> this is not about blocking port 22 as far as I understand Juergen> things. I think the issue here is that TCP connection Juergen> establishment determines ssh client/server roles. If Juergen> there would be a way to initiate the connection but Juergen> subsequently taking over the server role, protocols like Juergen> netconf and presumably isms would find it much easier to Juergen> provide CH functionality. Right. But for the ssh-connect application I don't think you would want that unless you were trying to get around firewall policy. I suspect that the ssh community would decline to extend ssh in this direction; I certainly know I would not support it. I would support setting up port forwarding as a way to get a back channel; I would also support a facility to run an ssh protocol over ssh channel. One advantage of both port forwarding and ssh over ssh is that they provide a much more consistent model for authentication and authorization of the request to "turn" than an explicit turn facility. --Sam _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf