No, I was not intending to imply IESG review would gain a last call. I was only speaking to IETF review. I don't think IESG review gaining a last call is all that benefical. It's not clear how you would interpret the results or what the success/failure criteria is. I think interpreting IESG review last calls would be significantly more difficult than IETF review last calls. We have a lot of experience publishing documents and even dealing with last calls on documents that end up generating a lot of messages. But IESG review would be different enough that it would be highly problematic. Instead, I recommend viewing IESG review as a short circuit process that can be used when a request successfully convinces the IESG that it should be approved. I think it is important that IETF review always exist as an alternative when IESG review is available. If your IESG review is not sufficiently convincing, then you can either pursue IETF review or drop the proposal depending on whether you found the IESG's arguments convincing. If you do choose to have a last call for IESG review, you need to have some text explaining what the IESG is evaluating and how the IESG should balance its own opinion against comments made in the last call. _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf