Re: text suggested by ADs

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Sam Hartman wrote:
>>>>>>"Joe" == Joe Touch <touch@xxxxxxx> writes:
> 
> 
>     Joe> Jeffrey Hutzelman wrote:
>     >> 
>     >> 
>     >> On Thursday, April 28, 2005 03:39:36 PM -0700 Joe Touch
>     >> <touch@xxxxxxx>
>     >> wrote:
>     >> 
>     >>> They're only equivalent if another AD can't tell the
>     >>> difference between the two. IMO, they could, were they
>     >>> involved in the process.
>     >> 
>     >> 
>     >> If I may read between the lines here, it sounds like you're
>     >> suggesting some sort of reality-check process that is more
>     >> lightweight than a full appeal. Informally, we have that -- if
>     >> one AD is giving me a hard time for a dumb reason, I can ask
>     >> another AD to try to talk some sense into them.  But that only
>     >> works if the participant has a good relationship with another
>     >> AD, and while you hope that's true for WG chairs, that might
>     >> not always be good enough.
> 
>     Joe> Yup - it relies too much on goodwill and who-knows-whom,
>     Joe> which is unfair to those who are trying to get things through
>     Joe> for the first time.  
> 
> Joe, fundamentally human interaction depends on good will.  Things are
> always easier the first time.  Depending on how they go then it may or
> may not be easier the next time.
> 
> The only other option is to make things uniformly bad all the time.

Procedures are there for when good will isn't enough. I agree they
shouldn't be the first course of action, but they are the backup plan.

And even people experiencing the system for the first time need a backup.

> Assuming that there is good will and working with people can go a long
> way.  If you have a problem ask if you can talk about it; if email is
> not working try the phone or instant messaging.

And when that fails - that's what the rest of what we're talking about
is focused on, IMO.

Joe

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