--On Thursday, 30 December, 2004 11:21 -0800 EKR <ekr@xxxxxxxx>
wrote:
> "Soininen Jonne (Nokia-NET/Helsinki)"
> <jonne.soininen@xxxxxxxxx> writes:
>> I admit that I maybe have too much a view point of someone
>> working for a relatively large company. I try to approach
>> this from a position where the IAOC itself does not become a
>> significant cost for IASA.
>>
>> However, as these are the people that are responsible for
>> setting the budget and supervising the finances of the IASA
>> and there is no real owner to control the expenses it would
>> be clearer to have the IAOC members being responsible for
>> their own expenses.
>>...
> Jonne,
>
> The argument you're making here is for a policy that IAOC
> members should be responsible for their own expenses. That's a
> perfectly reasonable policy, but the course of action you're
> arguing for is to write it into the BCP so that it can't be
> changed without extraordinary difficulty. Can you explain why
> you think that that's necessary?
EKR has now tried to make this point several times, and others
don't seem to be hearing him, so let me try and, in the process,
provide an additional data point.
I think it is key that this is a management decision, not
material for the BCP. The right way to deal with this, IMO, is
the way we have (apparently) agreed to handle other details,
i.e., to have the BCP charge the IAOC with coming up with a
policy and making that policy known in the community. Were that
policy to be, or become, abusive, then it needs to be fixed by
(or with) the IAOC. But let's not lock a specific, perhaps
over-specific, policy into the BCP.
In case anyone doesn't know, IAB and IESG members, and probably
others, have occasionally been reimbursed for travel expenses to
meetings where they were representing the IETF and no other
source of funds was available. If I recall, travel expenses to
IETF meetings have occasionally, although I think very rarely,
been reimbursed as well. When it has been done, those expenses
have been covered out of IETF Chair discretionary funds provided
by ISOC. The reimbursements have not been widely publicized, I
think, out of consideration for the privacy of the people
involved. The new IASA disclosure rules would, I believe,
require at least an accounting of the total amounts of money
expended in this way. But going further than that could, IMO,
hurt our ability to operate effectively, and to get the best
people to key meetings (rather than just the best-supported
people) and we should be careful to not shoot ourselves in the
foot in this area.
john
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