On Nov 7, 2024, at 10:01 AM, Brockhaus, Hendrik <hendrik.brockhaus@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Initially we changed ‘man-in-the-middle attacker’ to ‘on-path attacker’. Tim proposed to use ‘meddler-in-the-middle’ to keep the abbreviation MITM. There were also other proposalsmade.
I am no native speaker. I am happy to update to whatever people think is most appropriate.
Hendrik
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perhaps on-path attacker.
Russ
On Nov 7, 2024, at 8:48 AM, Dieter Bratko <dieter.bratko@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dieter.bratko@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Hello,
what's about a gender neutral name? "Mandy" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandy_(name)) would be close to "Man".
Regards,
Dieter
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From: Brockhaus, Hendrik <hendrik.brockhaus=40siemens.com@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:hendrik.brockhaus=40siemens.com@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
Sent: 06 November 2024 15:02
I just talked to Tim Hollebeek.
He proposed to change 'man-in-the-middle' to 'meddler-in-the-middle' to stay with the abbreviation MITM.
<tp>
One of our ADs always used to use 'Monkey in the Middle' which seemed suitably asexual,
Tom petch
Hendrik
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Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. November 2024 10:47
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Hi,
On Nov 5, 2024, at 16:45, Jeffrey Walton <noloader@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:noloader@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Two counterpoints. First, "man-in-the-middle" is a term of the art.
It does not lend itself to word swapping. I don't think it is wise
to invent new terms for a well established term.
the IETF has agreement to use the guidance in NIST.IR.8366. The
proposed rewording is aligned with Section 4.1 of NIST.IR.8366.
Thanks,
Lars
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