[Last-Call] Re: [lamps] Tsvart last call review of draft-ietf-lamps-rfc6712bis-07

[Russ Housley <housley@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I am fine with either one.

On Nov 7, 2024, at 10:01 AM, Brockhaus, Hendrik <hendrik.brockhaus@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Initially we changed ‘man-in-the-middle attacker’ to ‘on-path attacker’. Tim proposed to use ‘meddler-in-the-middle’ to keep the abbreviation MITM. There were also other proposalsmade.

I am no native speaker. I am happy to update to whatever people think is most appropriate.

 

Hendrik

 

Von: Russ Housley <housley@xxxxxxxxxxxx> 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. November 2024 14:35
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perhaps on-path attacker.

Russ

On Nov 7, 2024, at 8:48 AM, Dieter Bratko <dieter.bratko@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

 

Hello,

what's about a gender neutral name? "Mandy" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandy_(name)) would be close to "Man".

Regards,
Dieter

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Von: tom petch <daedulus@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. November 2024 12:43
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From: Brockhaus, Hendrik <hendrik.brockhaus=40siemens.com@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: 06 November 2024 15:02

I just talked to Tim Hollebeek.
He proposed to change 'man-in-the-middle' to 'meddler-in-the-middle' to stay with the abbreviation MITM.

<tp>
One of our ADs always used to use 'Monkey in the Middle' which seemed suitably asexual,

Tom petch


Hendrik

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Von: Lars Eggert <lars@xxxxxxxxxx>
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. November 2024 10:47
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draft-ietf-lamps-rfc6712bis-07

Hi,

On Nov 5, 2024, at 16:45, Jeffrey Walton <noloader@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Two counterpoints. First, "man-in-the-middle" is a term of the art. 
It does not lend itself to word swapping. I don't think it is wise 
to invent new terms for a well established term.

the IETF has agreement to use the guidance in NIST.IR.8366. The 
proposed rewording is aligned with Section 4.1 of NIST.IR.8366.

Thanks,
Lars

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