Pete Resnick wrote in <243698EC-DA21-47A9-96DA-B9CBDCAA17CD@xxxxxxxxxxxx>: |On 30 Oct 2024, at 4:30, Martin Thomson wrote: | |> ...bury a statement like that in an applicability statement. | |Why is putting something in the A/S (which is a standards track |document) "burying" it? | |[Consider that the current Internet Standard is RFC 821. RFC 5321 is a |Draft Standard. (Yes, it's that old.) So the "official" recommendation |of the IETF is that 821 is preferred over 5321. Does it really matter in |which document a particular security discussion appears?] I concur with Martin Thomson. Too many documents, and all you "old hands" are talking IETF internal speech that some random developer who wants to implement say a SMTP implementation has absolutely no interest (if time) in. I think a protocol description should, well, give as much of a description of the protocol to enable people to implement it. And in effect some "extensions" are no longer extensions, and STARTTLS being the most notable. And all this politics talking i do not get either while at it, since virus scanners have super certificates, and companies have them also, and also for controlling purposes. So what do you want with some national agency if you have all the other people in the room anyway? Heck, i prefer the BND or even the FSB and for heaven's sake even those americans ("CIA. FBI. All they tell us are lies." Public Enemy, the only RAP i ever heard, around 1993). All those modern cars you surely drive have a lot of sensors, on the inside and outside, and satellite tracking, so they will get it from the back in the end, anyhow. (You very likely even accepted that with a click or signature in the terms of your car! And if its a French Renault, you even accepted screening of your sexual life, shall that happen in-car. So how about that.) --steffen | |Der Kragenbaer, The moon bear, |der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one |einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off |(By Robert Gernhardt) | |And in Fall, feel "The Dropbear Bard"s ball(s). | |The banded bear |without a care, |Banged on himself fore'er and e'er | |Farewell, dear collar bear -- last-call mailing list -- last-call@xxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to last-call-leave@xxxxxxxx