[Last-Call] Re: [Emailcore] Re: Re: SECDIR Review of draft-ietf-emailcore-rfc5321bis-31

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On Tue, 29 Oct 2024, Paul Wouters wrote:

I can easily imagine scenarios where STARTTLS makes no sense

No network should run smtp in the clear, whether it is “over the internet” or not. Even if you’d gain nothing because you use macsec, IPsec or another link layer encryption, the cost of double encryption on email is so low that you might as well still run (opportunistic) TLS instead of unencrypted smtp.

I have an old printer that e-mails "I'm jammed" or "I'm empty" notices in the clear to a local mail server. It's not going to change, and if we somehow imagine we're going to force people to reject its out of paper messages, we're just making ourselves look silly. New printers should certainly do STARTTLS, but we at least used to give lip service to backward compatability and existing practice.

As I may have said once or twice, the STARTTLS stuff belongs in the A/S.

R's,
John

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