From: Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@xxxxxx> Sent: 17 July 2024 09:47 Am 17.07.2024 um 11:44 schrieb tom petch: > From: Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@xxxxxx> > Sent: 15 July 2024 10:31 > > Am 15.07.2024 um 12:03 schrieb tom petch: >> ... >> <tp> >> The server is whatever the IETF is using for e.g. >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-sendholdtimer/ >> This is probably a shadow rather than the real web site which I suspect cannot be accessed with Windows from my PC because of the way the IETF works. > > I don't get that. What do you mean by "shadow" and "because of the way > the IETF works"? > > <tp> > By shadow I mean that for many if not most widely used web sites, there are shadow sites elsewhere in the world which are closer to concentrations of users e.g there might be a European shadow (or several) for a much used site in California and while the aim is for the shadow to be kept up to date. at times I assume to be of stress, the updates lag behind. This symptom has started to happen with the IETF mailing lists. I logon on Sunday and there is no e-mail from Saturday. Logon on Monday and there is e-mail from Saturday and Sunday. Where has it been? I suspect on the IETF web sites but the shadow sites are not up to date I see this on a number of low activity (perhaps 2-3 posts p.d.) WG lists. I do not see it on the more active lists such as IPv6. IDR. I do see it for other organsations as well. > > The Internet is not what it was 20 years ago- less trustworthy, less reliable. It used to be possible to bypass shadow sites and access the real McCoy but I think that that has been removed by ISPs. > > However, my point relates accessing the plain text version of an I-D either from the IETF announcement or from a IETF WG website so I can read it, download it and edit it using a simple, reliable toolset. The HTML version fails this requirement > ... And again, what does this have to do wit HTTP(s) vs Telnet vs FTP??? <tp FTP works, delivers the files I need to make a contribution to the IETF. HTTP fails, delivers data as a web page that takes of lot of my time to convert into something usable, time I would rather spend reading and reviewing I-D Tom Petch Best regards, Julian PS: <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-sendholdtimer/> has a "txt" link which gets you to <https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-sendholdtimer-13.txt>.
