On 12 Jun 2024, at 15:52, Salz, Rich wrote: >> I personally still have not returned to the IETF list. > > That's highly unfortunate in my opinion. I do not understand how someone can feel themselves to be in the leadership of an organization without participating, or at least reading, the one general-purpose public forum that organization has. > >> The biggest problem of BCP38 is that every sane normal action to restrict abuse results in more toxic discussions that a certain amount of abuse should be tolerated in the name of anti-censorship, lack of hard headedness of the victims and supposed technical merit of the abusers. > > This view, when expressed by someone with such a limited view of the organization, carries almost no weight with me. > > Anyone on the IESG who does not follow the IETF list should abstain from voting on all PR actions. In the past five years, only 7% of IETF participants have posted to the IETF list (defining a participant as someone who sent email to any IETF mailing list). In the same time period, 30% of the messages sent to the IETF list came from 10 people. Colin -- last-call mailing list -- last-call@xxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to last-call-leave@xxxxxxxx