On Sun, 10 Mar 2024, S Moonesamy wrote:
As for the question aimed at "the IETF" I will let the community
speak for itself. As for the question aimed at "Area Directors",
I guess you should send an email iesg@xxxxxxxx with your specific
ask.
Paul
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2024 12:14:54
From: S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Mark Nottingham <mnot=40mnot.net@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Paul Wouters <paul@xxxxxxxxx>, ietf@xxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: IAB Statement on Encryption and Mandatory Client-side Scanning
of Content
Hi Paul,
At 10:33 AM 19-12-2023, Paul Wouters wrote:
And on top of that, the PGP lawsuit in the US in the 90's already showed
that opensource code is the equivalent of free speech, so making opensource
illegal constitutes making freedom of speech illegal.
I am unfortunately not in the United States or else I might have made the
above argument.
Additionally, since people in other countries can legally write such
modified opensource software, you would additionally need to ban all
software (opensource or not) that doesn't have the backdoor/government
reporting/filtering code. How would endusers even know this ? Eg they
download chrome or Firefox and now they are a criminal ?
There is some crypto at my location which most likely has a defect. I may
write about it in future if I am free to do so.
If I understood what you wrote correctly, the point is that the software
could be retrieved from other jurisdictions as it is easily available. Is
there anyone from the IETF who would volunteer to testify in a criminal case
about that?
In response to your question about end-users, I'd say that someone would have
to explain what could be going on.
Saying you approve of banning opensource is at best an unwise
recommendation. And if one believes the IAB shouldn't make statements
touching politics, I guess this counter statement fulfills all the same
checkboxes for being inappropriate coming from our community ? It's a …..
paradox ?
Many years ago, a person visited a location which is south of the Equator.
The person introduced himself/herself as a member of an IETF working group
and argued that the IETF was a threat. Would such a statement be considered
as inappropriate? For what it is worth, I politely provided some input on
the matter as I was in the room.
Last year, someone asked me a question about some censorship. I replied that
it was quite regrettable.
As a comment about recommendations, there is a directive to do some Internet
filtering at my location. Could an Area Director write to a government on
that matter? :-)
Regards,
S. Moonesamy
