Hi Jay, Understood (also about the wrong info, rumours in the corridors always happen), but it still doesn’t resolve the problem … it will have been much easier and convenient in terms of cost for attendees and the IETF itself, to use for this time a venue that we already know and don’t need to revisit. Even in the case if we wanted to stick to Brisbane (it is a very good location, been there several times) I believe that it should have been possible to visit the venue around early-mid 2022, and confirm it early 2023, that should have allowed to book flights 1 year in advance. Even announcing the venue with a warning such as “contract is still being finalized - book at your own risk”, is better, because in case you need to change the flight if the contract is not finalized, I much prefer to pay 300-400 Euros for changing flights than 3.000 more because I booked too late … others may agree or disagree, but is a lot of money that can be saved times many participants. A reduced attendance is not only bad for the participants not going there (and those attending paying extra traveling costs), but also the reduced attendance clearly will impact the IETF balance sheets. Regards, Jordi @jordipalet > El 27 jul 2023, a las 11:35, Jay Daley <exec-director@xxxxxxxx> escribió: > > Hi Jordi > >> On 27 Jul 2023, at 11:00, jordi.palet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <jordi.palet=40consulintel.es@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> One of the things that we need to address is that the meetings are announce (city), at least 1 year in advance, without exceptions. > > Normally we would, but you may remember that COVID made international travel very difficult until recently and we need to visit places before we book them to check they meet our needs. We generally need a 1-2 year run up to booking a meeting. > >> I got some info, not sure if right or not, that Brisbane was not the initial venue in Australia and Brisbane has been a last minute choosing because the previous venue failure. > > Incorrect info. > >> >> The result, at least for travelers from Europe means that the cost of the flight (booking today) is 3 times in economy (about 2.500 euros), double in business (about 7.000 euros). Not really aceptable. I’m not sure if such cost increase is the same traveling from other regions, but for sure many europeans may fail to attend Brisbane if they have traveling cost restrictions. >> >> When there is such issue as a venue not signing (or breaking) the contract, we must have an alternative, even if it is Minneapolis or whatever, that doesn’t increase the cost for the participants and even if it means we change the rotation plan. > > If we don’t have another global crisis that severely limits global travel then things should work smoothly in future. > > Jay > >> >> Regards, >> Jordi >> >> @jordipalet >> >> >>> El 27 jul 2023, a las 10:01, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@xxxxxxxxxxxx> escribió: >>> >>> >>> Salz, Rich <rsalz=40akamai.com@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>> Discounted registration for a first-time attendee. Perhaps in >>> >>> My (running) hash charges for first-time attendees, but it's free for the >>> second time. This is to encourage people to return. >>> >>>> Make one of the meetings decentralized. Held simultaneously in multiple >>>> places around the globe. Getting the logistics and timezones equitable >>>> will be hard, but it would also greatly reduce our CO2 usage. >>> >>> manycouches started this discussion, and a conclusion was that we should add >>> a fourth meeting that was fully-online, and then maybe we can step down the >>> three. >>> >>> -- >>> Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@xxxxxxxxxxxx> . o O ( IPv6 IøT consulting ) >>> Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> ********************************************** >> IPv4 is over >> Are you ready for the new Internet ? >> http://www.theipv6company.com >> The IPv6 Company >> >> This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. 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