On 7/14/23 8:59 PM, Keith Moore wrote:
On 7/14/23 17:39, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
We have public IETF last calls, we have organized review teams, we
have a published IESG agenda and announced IESG telechats, and we
have substantive IESG comments and ballot positions in the
datatracker. All of these are intended so that any community member
can intervene right up to the point of IESG approval. Then we have a
window of two months during which any community member can appeal an
IESG decision.
All true. And yet, it's very difficult to keep track of everything
that goes on in IETF that might affect one's own interests. For
example, I care a lot about email, but I never saw the potential for
OAUTH to break interoperability of email clients and servers, until I
found that I could no longer read my work IMAP email using Thunderbird.
Yeah, saying that "WAIT, WHAT?" is invalid is the height of
IETF-centrism. The vast majority of people who have anything to do with
IETF are not full time standards potatoes. If IETF doesn't like that, it
can set up barriers to participation like W3C and other industry groups
to keep out interlopers and at least be clear that we're not appreciated.
Mike
