Funny that: if you don't recognize the statements, why don't you clearly state that is appropriate to make complaints on-list and refute those who ask for such complaints to be made offlist? Complaints _should_ be made offlist. Myself, Dan Bernstein, and I think others have been chastised for making on-list complaints. Of course, we have only made them public after they were privately ignored. Of course, making every complaint on-list would be unreasonable--not to mention inappropriate for a variety of legal reasons. It would subject the IETF to claims of defamation, for example. So is your objection here anything but frivolous? --Dean On 26 Nov 2002, D. J. Bernstein wrote: > [ post by non-subscriber. with the massive amount of spam, it is easy to > miss and therefore delete mis-posts. your subscription address is > 54830374684695-namedroppers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, please post from it or > fix subscription your subscription address! ] > > I've sent twelve messages to the namedroppers mailing list this month. > Five of them have been silently discarded by the namedroppers censor, > Randy Bush. (See http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/namedroppers.html for previous > incidents.) > > Bush says that the only relevant feature of my messages is that they're > sent from an address that isn't subscribed to namedroppers. Okay, boys > and girls, let's look at some statistics: > > * 5/12 of my messages have been silently discarded; > > * according to Bush, this has nothing to do with me or the content, > so we estimate that about 5/12 of all non-subscriber messages have > been silently discarded; > > * in the past three months, there have been about 100 legitimate > messages from other people who Bush labelled as non-subscribers; > > * so we estimate that, in the last three months, Bush has silently > discarded about 71 legitimate messages from other people. That's a > rate of hundreds per year. > > Bush doesn't say ``Your message didn't go through.'' Bush doesn't say > ``Reply to this bounce to confirm your original message.'' He simply > throws the message away. > > This is supposed to be the mailing list for an open IETF working group. > It's outrageous that valid messages are being silently discarded---even > if the number is not as large as hundreds per year. > > ---D. J. Bernstein, Associate Professor, Department of Mathematics, > Statistics, and Computer Science, University of Illinois at Chicago > > P.S. Out of my twelve messages, the five that were silently discarded > are exactly the five that I would pick if I were a censor trying to bias > the DNSEXT decisions in favor of the BIND company. Coincidence, right? > > P.P.S. Bush's mailing-list software doesn't cryptographically confirm > unsubscription requests. I kept my subscription address private until > Bush revealed it a few days ago. I'm working on obtaining a subscription > through an address that Bush doesn't know is connected to me. > > > On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote: > > > --On 12. juli 2004 12:55 -0400 Dean Anderson <dean@xxxxxxx> wrote: > > >> it has been pointed out to you that you have the ability to > >> communicate with Rob Austein using the mail address that is posted > >> on the ietf dnsop charter web page: > > > > As Chairman Alvestrand has clearly stated, IETF email lists are not to be > > used for making complaints. One is not supposed to make complaints to the > > DNSOP list. The only exception to this rule is the main IETF list which > > has administrative discussion as its purpose. > > I do not recognize that as anything I have said. > Please point to the quote. > > Harald > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf