Re: Email account utilization warning.

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Oh, you can filter out any sender easily enough.   The snag is you see all
the replies people send to their mailings :(

Tim

On Wed, Jul 07, 2004 at 02:58:47PM -0500, David Frascone wrote:
> I wonder how hard it would be to set my mail server to drop your mail
> too?  Since, obviously, "Email account utilization warning" has nothing
> to do with your rants. . . 
> 
> -Dave
> 
> On Wednesday, 07 Jul 2004, Dean Anderson wrote:
> > Mark, 
> > 
> > To fool people, the "phish" has to be plausible.  In this case, people
> > have come to expect capricious behavior from the IETF and so the
> > "phishing" claim of turning off email capriciously isn't out of the realm
> > of the expected behavior.  People saw the IETF do it before, and expect it
> > might might happen again.
> > 
> > "Dean Anderson" is not the topic: The IETF principles are the topic;  The
> > IETF rules are the topic; The misbehavior by people including the IETF
> > leadership is the topic.  Those who don't want to address the problems try
> > to portray this as about Dean Anderson, or about Dan Bernstein, or about
> > whoever else is being abused at the moment.  It's not about Dean Anderson;
> > It's not about Dan Bernstein; Its not those other innocent people defamed
> > and disparaged by a select few abusers.  Its about abusive behavior by a
> > select group, and the willfull, repeated, and perfidious failure of the
> > leadership to address the abuse, and the participation by the leadership
> > in the abuse.
> > 
> > It should not be too much to ask that the IETF Leadership follow the IETF
> > rules and the IETF principles.  Is that too much to ask?  When the
> > leadership acts capriciously, frivolously, perfidiously and acts contrary
> > to the rules and principles of the IETF, this behavior is observed by
> > others.  These things don't happen in a vacuum.  The complaints of Dean
> > Anderson, or Dan Bernstein, or of anyone else do not bring dishonor to the
> > IETF. Only the behavior by the leadership brings disrespect and dishonor
> > to the IETF.  And we see the effects of that: People come to expect
> > capricious behavior from the IETF and so the "phishing" premise isn't out
> > of the realm of the expected behavior.  People saw the IETF do it before,
> > and expect it might might happen again.  Solve the problem: Obey the IETF
> > principles and rules. Then such "phishes" will be out of character, and 
> > people would be more suspicious of such a "phish".
> > 
> > 
> > As I said offlist to Mark Smith:
> > 
> >   From: Dean Anderson <dean@xxxxxxx>
> >   To: Mark Smith <ietf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >   Subject: Re: Email account utilization warning.
> > 
> >   Because I have respect for the IETF, and its principles. It is the IETF
> >   leadership that is disgraceful.
> > 
> >   But it has been the desire of the leadership to run the IETF like a
> >   private club, and many people would be (and have been) driven off by 
> >   their behavior. Someone, sometime has to stand up to them.
> > 
> >                 --Dean
> > 
> >   On Wed, 7 Jul 2004, Mark Smith wrote:
> > 
> >   > If you have such low respect for the IETF, why don't you just remove
> >   > yourself from all associated IETF mailing lists, and stop
> >   > "contributing" too them?
> > 
> > 
> > On Wed, 7 Jul 2004, Mark Durham wrote:
> > 
> > > Could we try to keep our narcissistic eye on the ball here?
> > > 
> > > I realize that the only thing on this list that matters to you is you, 
> > > and normally I do what I imagine most of the list is doing: I suffer 
> > > your rants in silence. But recognizing this stuff is actually important, 
> > > and if there are people on the IETF list who don't, that's a situation 
> > > that cries out for attention. Please, for once, let's assume that you 
> > > are *not* the topic, and stay on whatever the topic actually is. You can 
> > > trot out your personal demons (or daemons, for that matter) under some 
> > > other subject line ... and, by all evidence, you certainly will. In the 
> > > meantime, let's not treat every message on this list as your personal 
> > > song cue.
> > > 
> > > Is this really too much to ask?
> > > 
> > 
> > 
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> David Frascone
> 
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