On 11/04/2023 04:44, Dave Taht wrote:
I see that many ietfers gave up on jabber and went to slack.
I went to matrix.org, and like it quite a lot. It has largely replaced
email for me. I do not know what public logs in a chatroom would do to
improve ietf processes, but I do think that email as we knew it, is
nearly dead.
And Microsoft seem to have just taken that idea to heart by driving a
series of stakes into the coffin, lest the zombie come back to life.
When I got an e-mail this morning, purportedly from Microsoft (my ESP)
telling me that they were going to 'improve security' by abolishing POP
I thought it was spam. But hard as I look, I cannot see any flaw in the
e-mail headers and am driven to conclude that it is genuine (even if
quite off the wall). On the other hand, five years ago, Microsoft set
about killing this off with the removal of its well-designed,
easy-to-use, productive-to-use MUA, something my ability to get work
done in the context of the IETF has never recovered from, hard as I try
to overcome the obstacles thus created.
Now my ability to get work done will be reduced further, due in no small
part to the deficiencies of the web service offered.
And in some ways I have never recovered from being 'sold' from the ESP
of my choice to ... well, one that is not of my choice, forcing me to
use functions that I have no wish to. But given the time, effort and
problems from changing domain then, I have zero enthusiasm for another
change of domain although that might be the most productive route.
There are plenty of words that come to mind; I hope that I have edited
them out of this e-mail because none are suitable for this list.
Tom Petch
On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 8:36 PM Phillip Hallam-Baker
<phill@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Sun, Apr 9, 2023 at 6:14 PM Hesham ElBakoury <helbakoury@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Is using Everything more energy efficient than email systems that are currently in use?
Hesham
Energy efficiency is not a consideration in the Mesh messaging system.
If however, you believe there is utility in chain-type notary logs, the cross-notarization approach used in the Mesh is considerably stronger than the proof of waste approach used in Bitcoin and uses negligible electricity.
When looking at SMTP mail and DNS, the vast majority of time and effort goes into handling abuse. In the case of running DNS root servers, 99% of the load is pure abuse.
The Mesh does not prevent abuse but the fact that every message is authenticated and only authorized messages are accepted means that there is much less value in abuse to an attacker. The net is that while sending a Mesh message requires a lot of cryptographic operations not required in SMTP/STARTTLS, the net impact would probably be much less at scale.
