Re: IETF e-mail junked

[Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hiya,

On 21/12/2022 10:15, tom petch wrote:
> This month there has been a marked increase in the amount of IETF e-mail 
> that my ESP classifies as junk

I've not noticed any change in recent months.

I did see a major change >1 year ago when our CS dept email
switched from being self-hosted (when things were fine in
this respect) to using one of the largest service providers
(msft, similar to btconnect.com it seems) since when I get
5-10 valid mails from lists classified as phishes every day
with apparently no way to allow-list the sending lists.

The worst part of this is the "nothing can/will be done"
aspect, so if anyone has any idea how to light a fire under
some relevant outlook person, I'd appreciate that hint.

Cheers,
S.

PS: I don't think naming and shaming is unfair here as
``dig mx cs.tcd.ie`` tells all anyway.

> which means that I cannot retrieve it 
> with an MUA and that it will be discarded in three weeks time.  Since my 
> ESP is one of the larger ones, I imagine that others among the 55,000 
> will be affected
>
> Every RFC announcement from the RFC Editor is junk.
> The headers thereof I see show spf=pass dmarc=none action=none, 
> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.947 tagged_above=-999 required=5
>
> Most announcements from the IAB Executive Admnistrative Manager are junk
>
> Some posts to the ARCHD list are junk
>
> Some posts to other WG lists are junk including one I made in response 
> to a thread.
>
> Something has changed, either in the headers that the IETF is putting on 
> its e-mails or in the criteria that the ESP uses to classify e-mail, I 
> would think.  The chances of the ESP doing anything helpful (for a 
> paying customer) I would rate as nil.
>
> Certainly the ESP website has changed.  It used to give me the option of 
> 'Do not classify anything from this sender as junk' and that option 
> seems to have gone.
>
> I have always had a level of false positives for junk and my feedback is 
> always ignored.  Usually, the junk is an e-mail from an unfamiliar name 
> about and unfamiliar topic, sometimes several from the same person but 
> junking the RFC Editor and the IAB take this to a new level.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Tom Petch

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