> On 09/10/2022 11:06 PM EDT Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > That was one of the reasons I helped set up a rival standards organization > to IETF and was then involved in helping a second standards organization > establish itself as a rival to that one. Kind of amazing that you would be here asking for a favor after doing such a thing. In my circles, loyalty is still a thing. > All that matters to me is what good we do for the users of the Internet. I don't think anyone believes that.