Re: "professional" in an IETF context

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On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 10:37 AM Masataka Ohta <mohta@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Joel M. Halpern wrote:

> Ohta-san, your email (retained as the first part of the below) is not in
> my view fair criticism against poor engineering results.  it is a baldly
> and badly expresssed personal opinion.

FYI, on 2019/10/15 16:10, I wrote to this list:

 > Subject: Re: Sergeant-at-arms engagement model
 > Keith Moore wrote:
 >
 >> The words "They also include criticizing an idea in an insulting
 >> orexcessively hostile manner" are troubling.   I realize that one
 >> maycriticize an idea in such a way as to effectively be critical of the
 >>  person proposing the idea.  And yet, it is essential that people be
 >> able to discuss ideas candidly, and sometimes to criticize
 >> ideasemphatically.   I believe it's inappropriate to impugn a
 >> participant's motive without supporting evidence of that motive.  But
 >> I don't believe it's wrong to point out any problem with an idea
 >> itself, nor with potential ill effects of an idea, nor even with the
 >> appearance of an idea.   Sometimes this is a fine line, but it's
 >> essential that the SAAs not interfere with vigorous discussion of
 >> relevant ideas.
 >
 > Let me try.
 >
 > IPv6 with unnecessarily lengthy 16B addresses without valid
 > technical reasoning only to make network operations prohibitively
 > painful is a garbage protocol.
 >


It could be. But IPv6 was made workable by clever modifications over time and now it works pretty well and widely used.

 
 > LISP, which perform ID to locator mapping, which is best
 > performed by DNS, in a lot less scalable way than DNS
 > is a garbage protocol.
 >

LISP should not have stayed that long in IETF, otherwise I am OK with defining protocols like that and trying.

Behcet 
 >                      Masataka Ohta

but SAAs did not act against it.

                                                        Masataka Ohta


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