Warren Kumari <warren@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 10:41 AM Murray S. Kucherawy <superuser@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 7:36 AM Salz, Rich <rsalz@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> - The IESG has had multiple cases during my time there where we
>>> haven't had access to some normative reference, and so we can't do our
>>> job. This has added long delays to document processing. That's what we're
>>> trying to address here.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I believe it is far more common for the IESG to review and progress
>>> documents without having all normative references tracked down and read.
>>>
>>
>> The role doesn't matter, does it? As an Area Review Team member or even a
>> Working Group participant faced with a document with normative references
>> behind a paywall, you face the same problem.
>>
> Yes. No. Maybe.
> There are some protocols where the only people
> implementing/interoperating/whatever are all part of a small group that
> already knows and understands the <whatever is in the paywalled document>,
> and / or are willing to shell out the money to pay for it.
> A recent example of this is
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-6lo-nfc/ -- there are likely to
> only be a very small number of people who will implement the tranport part,
> and they already understand the "NFC Logical Link Control Protocol version
> 1.3" and / or would be willing to purchase it.
I think that actually, this document is a really good example of how things
go badly.
Because only a small number of people have access to that background
document, nobody can meaningfully review it.
Maybe that's why the document has been around for *7* years.
The shepherd write up does not tell me where to get that background document,
although apparently I'm among those who discussed the document. I don't know
the background for one, and I certainly couldn't implement without the
background.
> Yes, in an ideal world, this would be an open, free, etc document -- but,
> absent an ideal world, I still think that it's better that how IPv6 is
> transmitted over NFC using 6LoWPAN is documented in an RFC than having an
> undocumented protocol....
I mostly agree with you.
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Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@xxxxxxxxxxxx> . o O ( IPv6 IøT consulting )
Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide
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