--On Friday, October 1, 2021 10:32 -0500 Robert Sparks <rjsparks@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Related but apart from discussion of what summaries might be > sent by email - > > There is a feed for last call documents at > https://datatracker.ietf.org/feed/last-call, and a page at > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/in-last-call. > > There are several feeds, fwiw. At one point there was a menu > for them, but pressure to declutter the menus some time back > took that away. There should at least be a summary page > somewhere. Robert, Thanks. Noting that a page the IETF participants don't know about or don't know how to find is of limited utility, your paragraph above exactly, if indirectly, summarizes part of the problem. I've just looked at https://www.ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/standards/process/ and even https://www.ietf.org/links/ (which only active participants who have been paying attention know how to find). And, if any of them contain the links you provided or even hints that they exist, I'm not looking hard enough. While, again, I don't think that page is a substitute for well-considered Last Call announcements (at least to the relevant WG, maybe Area, and a weekly summary as others have discussed), it suggests that we should be looking more broadly than tweaking or subdividing mailing lists. Some particular suggestions that I assume should be straightforward if others agree: (1) Add https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/in-last-call to the "links" page under "IESG", "Internet-Drafts" or both. (2) Add a line to the bottom of the template for Last Call announcements that says something like "A listing of open IETF Last Calls is available at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/in-last-call Really a different topic, but I also think the "links" page should be more obviously available from the www.ietf.org home page and wonder whether the Last Calls should be identified there too. However, I've lost track of who the audience for that page is supposed to be and wonder if any evaluation is underway for whether that redesign is serving its intended purpose. best, john
