On 02-Oct-21 07:01, John C Klensin wrote: > > > --On Friday, October 1, 2021 10:32 -0500 Robert Sparks > <rjsparks@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> Related but apart from discussion of what summaries might be >> sent by email - >> >> There is a feed for last call documents at >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/feed/last-call, and a page at >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/in-last-call. >> >> There are several feeds, fwiw. At one point there was a menu >> for them, but pressure to declutter the menus some time back >> took that away. There should at least be a summary page >> somewhere. > > Robert, > > Thanks. > > Noting that a page the IETF participants don't know about or > don't know how to find is of limited utility, your paragraph > above exactly, if indirectly, summarizes part of the problem. > I've just looked at > https://www.ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/standards/process/ > and even > https://www.ietf.org/links/ > (which only active participants who have been paying attention > know how to find). > > And, if any of them contain the links you provided or even hints > that they exist, I'm not looking hard enough. While, again, I > don't think that page is a substitute for well-considered Last > Call announcements (at least to the relevant WG, maybe Area, and > a weekly summary as others have discussed), it suggests that we > should be looking more broadly than tweaking or subdividing > mailing lists. > > Some particular suggestions that I assume should be > straightforward if others agree: > > (1) Add https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/in-last-call to the > "links" page under "IESG", "Internet-Drafts" or both. > > (2) Add a line to the bottom of the template for Last Call > announcements that says something like "A listing of open IETF > Last Calls is available at > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/in-last-call > > Really a different topic, but I also think the "links" page > should be more obviously available from the www.ietf.org home > page and wonder whether the Last Calls should be identified > there too. However, I've lost track of who the audience for > that page is supposed to be and wonder if any evaluation is > underway for whether that redesign is serving its intended > purpose. I believe I am to blame for the existence of that page, which largely speaking does what the old IETF sidebar did. (For the nostalgic, see https://www6.ietf.org/) fwiw, I agree that it should be more obvious and cover more ground. Brian
