On 6/7/21 12:42 PM, Randy Presuhn wrote:
Because misandry in the service of inclusion is no vice?
When (male) privilege is threatened, the reactions often look
like (male) fragility. One would hope to avoid zero-sum games,
but I think one must admit the possibility that some stereotypical
(but hardly inherent!) behaviors are at odds with inclusiveness.
Having a particular genital configuration is not an issue.
Interrupting and talking over others (for example) can be.
IMO the argument would be much more convincing without the cheap
(and almost obligatory) shot of insulting people for their
gender. The hypocrisy of such arguments completely rids them of
any credibility and also often distracts from the real nature of
the problem. (And it's certainly a violation of the IETF
Guidelines for Conduct.)
Why do people sometimes talk loudly in IETF discussions? Because
they're frustrated, probably because they're not being heard! At
least half of the time this is because of other participants who
are having a hard time seeing past their own preconceptions. But
the popular fashion is to blame the speaker nearly 100% of the
time, even when the speaker is speaking clearly. This tactic is
especially common among those for whom the speaker's input is
inconvenient.
It follows that if we want less talking loudly in IETF discussions, we might do well to improve the ability of IETF participants to listen. Or at least we could realize that communication is a cooperative endeavor that requires investment on the part of both the speaker and the listeners.
Keith
