--On Thursday, April 15, 2021 23:17 -0400 Andrew Sullivan <ajs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > I work for the Internet Society, but I must emphasise that I > do not > post in that capacity; neither does this represent the > position of the > Internet Society. > > On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 09:34:20PM -0400, Keith Moore wrote: > >> The other >> is to teach newcomers what they need to know to not be >> snarled at. They're not mutually exclusive. > > Of course they aren't mutually exclusive, but only a culture of > entitled self-indulgent old fools who are going to die out due > to the > inevitable ravages of age would suppose that the right > approach to > possible newcomers is to beat them long enough that their > morale > improves. If that is really the future of the IETF, then I > regret any > association I have ever had with it. What a horrifying plan! > The > IETF is simply not that important, and if you think this is > the way to > embrace the future I urge you that perhaps you might listen > (presumably again) to Dylan's "The Times They Are A-Changin'". As a possible candidate for your self-indulgent old fool category (at least qualified on the basis of almost certainly being older, and equally certainly around the ARPANET and Internet longer, than either you or Keith)... +1 FWIW given the age allusion, I may be unique but, as I get older, I find myself getting less tolerant of abusive or dismissive behavior --whether directed toward me or toward others including possible newcomers-- than I was 30 or 40 years ago. best, john