On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 05:58:34PM -0500, Keith Moore wrote: > On 11/17/20 5:47 PM, Theodore Y. Ts'o wrote: > > > Whether those dates are returned by http or ftp, they're going to be > > trivially foreable > > So are the dates in old email and usenet messages. And yet, such dates are > routinely cited. Note that I said that this would be combined with the **sworn** testimony of the owner of said e-mail archive. > (I don't claim to understand a court's or patent office's reasoning about > what makes a date valid or not valid - their logic is different than those > of engineers. ) Yes, which is why it's not particularly a good argument for preserving FTP on IETF's servers. As others have said, most of the arguments on this are pretty weak on both the "pro" and "anti" side. - Ted