On 2020-10-14 17:20, Keith Moore wrote: > > On 10/14/20 10:14 AM, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: > >> Historically, the people who have the right connections win. > > Connections help, and timing helps too. If you propose something at > a time when the technology is just about ready, and there's an > emerging awareness of the problem, and there's enough energy to > overcome the inertia imposed by the status quo, it's a lot more likely > to succeed than if you propose the same thing either too soon or too > late. There's a strong bias against "old" ideas even if their time > has now come; people would rather consider a new proposal than an old one. > +1 The IETF can use procedures to make it more obvious who is exercising what influence (and in other organisations it's common with such procedures) but it's unlikely that connections/timing/politics will be eradicated. There's a very famous feminist text from the 1970s on specifically the use of procedure to mitigate power imbalances: https://www.jofreeman.com/joreen/tyranny.htm although Adam Curtis' criticism of Buckminster Fuller's geodesic domes basically also illustrate the same problem with structurelessness. best regards, -- ^\...~...~...~...~...~.../^ Amelia Andersdotter IETF SHMOO WG Co-Chair https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/shmoo/about/ Director of Strategic Initiatives, CENTR www.centr.org ^\...~...~...~...~...~.../^